The Official Maryland v. Virginia Thread

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  1. 18.9.2010

    Alright. For too long we have had every thread with a person asking where to move degenerate into an argument of which is better, Maryland or Virginia. While hopefully everyone knows that both states are good, I think it's high time we had an official thread to show pride for our respective states.

    I'll start:

    Maryland has a far better flag, and is in fact the only state flag based on English heraldry. Virginia's flag could have been made by a chimpanzee with a mild knowledge of MS Paint.

    Maryland is America in Miniature. Virginia is uh... rich people and hicks.

    Virginia has P-66 (Parking Lot 66), but Maryland has P-270. But I think 270 is better than 66, and at the very least it's a bigger number so suck it.

    Despite the very low incomes of many people in many counties, we are still the richest state by median income. Yes, our high earners earn HIGH.

    I don't wanna kick a state while it's down so I'll let the Virginians try and retort. Or let my fellow Marylanders continue this brutal beatdown.

    • Steve L.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    18.9.2010

    Virginia doesn't care bc Virginia is for lovers! Yeah!!! (ps Martin, We hate you.)

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    Indeed it is for lovers. Often those lovers call each other cousins!

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    • Steve L.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    18.9.2010

    So then, what's better? Southern California or NYC?

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    "You obviously haven't seen much of your own state."

    Ah, the "takes one to know one" attack. That brings down your opponent but does not raise you at all ;)

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    18.9.2010

    Ah, the 2 worst things about DC.

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    Silent, you're not even a real state.

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    18.9.2010

    Ouch, that hurts!

    • 71 Freunde
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    18.9.2010

    After driving the entire state of Virginia last week I have a much greater appreciation for Arlington and Alexandria.

    • Kunal M.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
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    18.9.2010

    Steve, the answer is both are good I prefer northern CA though.

    Getting to like the small town feel of DC and Arlington village.

    The most expensive real estate is Atherton, CA

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    No Mike, go make a fight thread in Yelp New Haven if you want. This is between good (Maryland) and evil (Virginia).

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    18.9.2010

    Flag on the play! Holding by Maryland 10 yard penalty Virginia wins

    • Usagi Y.
    • San Francisco, Vereinigte Staaten
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    18.9.2010

    MD flag looks like a ketchup and mustard puzzle
    VA flag has a nude woman standing on a dead guy

    The most famous Marylander: the guy that shot Lincoln
    The most famous Virginian: George Washington

    Average SAT score
    MD: 1502
    VA: 1521

    Unemployment rate
    MD: 7.4
    VA: 7.1

    Percentage of households earning $200,000+
    Montgomery County: 15.4%
    Howard County: 14.8%
    Fairfax County:  17.7%
    Arlington County: 15.5%

    Major companies that have relocated to VA in the past few years: Hilton, SAIC, VeriSign, VW of America, Northrop Grumman, others
    Major companies that have relocated to MD in the past few years: none, some have actually relocated away from MD

    NOVA has more billionaires and Fortune 500 companies than DC and MD combined.

    The headquarters of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency is relocating from MD into a multi-billion dollar facility under construction in VA at the expense of tens of thousands of jobs in MD as part of the DOD's BRAC.
    DOD is headquartered in VA.

    Tysons Corner has more office space than Bethesda, Silver Spring, Baltimore, etc (combined?) and will only get bigger when the Silver Line of the Metro is built through the area.

    MD has a higher median household income but it is more expensive to live in (housing and taxes) and has a larger average household number (more earners per household) and higher population density (i.e. higher-paying jobs to reflect higher office/residential rents as a result of higher density)

    ^off the top of my head (*dark/wierd laugh*)

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    That may be true Usagi, but at least Marylanders don't have to start their Monday commutes on Sunday afternoon ;)

    I do agree that Maryland needs to wisen the fuck up and get more businesses and employers. I don't know what the hell O'Malley's doing but it's a shit job.

    • Brian N.
    • Montclair, Vereinigte Staaten
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    18.9.2010

    but, Tina is in VA...

    • Usagi Y.
    • San Francisco, Vereinigte Staaten
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    18.9.2010

    The longer commute times probably only apply to those living in the far suburbs like Loudoun vs Howard, the VA side of the DC suburbs have about 50% more jobs than the MD side despite having the same number of people (2.5 million each) which should result in shorter commute times for many.

    "A study released last week disclosed that the average Montgomery resident takes 32.9 minutes to get to work, or 2.4 minutes more than his or her counterpart in Fairfax.

    That's just the start. The data-packed survey, commissioned in a burst of masochism by Montgomery's own County Council, contains page after page of statistics pointing to Fairfax's advantages "

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    Marylanders work?

    Haha

    Speaking of commuting, I-270 blows stinky elephant chunks.

    Plus most of us native Virginians comparing MD to VA are usually only talking about NoVA.

    Now MD has as many hicks as VA, have you driven past the town of Germans (Germantown) or way past Fred-neck, MD?  Hick-ville galore.

    • Brian N.
    • Montclair, Vereinigte Staaten
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    18.9.2010

    wait, is that a woman or a dude in a dress?

    anyflag.com/misc/decals/…

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    It's Athena

    • Brian N.
    • Montclair, Vereinigte Staaten
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    19.9.2010

    ah, i see.  "The woman, virtue, represents Virginia. The man holds a whip and chain, indicating he is a tyrant. They have fought a battle, and the tyrant lies on the ground defeated, his fallen crown nearby."

    i kinda like the idea of a state representing with a kick-ass chick.

    • Usagi Y.
    • San Francisco, Vereinigte Staaten
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    19.9.2010

    For the ladies:

    Percentage of housewives on 'The Real Housewives of DC' living in or from VA: 80%

    Nicknames:
    Murderland
    Vagina (although a popular radio host in Chicago says virgin-ya instead of vagina during the many sexual topics)

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    "Percentage of housewives on 'The Real Housewives of DC' living in or from VA: 80%"

    that's like a Texan boasting that Bush was their governor and therefore Texas is awesome

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    Deet makes a good point. Virginia just has war pigs, Maryland has SCIENCE mothafuckaz

    • Usagi Y.
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    19.9.2010

    Arlington has the National Science Foundation and the Air Force Office of Scientific Research
    Alexandria has the US Patent and Trademark Office
    Reston has the United States Geological Survey and the National Wildlife Federation

    In Hampton Roads there is the Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator which has the world's most powerful free electron laser and NASA Langley Research Center, NASA's oldest field facility.

    "Janelia Farm R&D Campus in Ashburn, VA. Opened just a month ago with funds from the Howard Hughes Medical Research Institute-- the world's largest biomedical research philanthropy--some wonder whether it has sapped talent and researchers from Maryland laboratories or created more opportunities for collaboration."

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    • Mic X.
    • Silver Spring, Vereinigte Staaten
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    20.9.2010

    compare the number of national championships of the University of Maryland

    umterps.com/genrel/md-na…

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma…

    to the University of Virginia

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi…

    Maryland wins!

    • Steve L.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    20.9.2010

    JMU has the hottest girls. /debate

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    20.9.2010

    Have you ever seen the shape of Maryland? That's one messed up state.

    • Sarah L.
    • Falls Church, Vereinigte Staaten
    21.9.2010

    Arg, so conflicted since I now live in Arlington! Um...

    Maryland
    Pros:
    Old Bay and crabs.
    If you are in need of booze at midnight, there is always Tick Tock.
    Baltimore Aquarium
    Montgomery College

    Cons:
    MoCo's lame alcohol monopoly.
    The Red Line.

    Virginia
    Pros:
    5% sales tax instead of MD's 6%.
    If you are a car enthusiast you see a lot of Aston Martins, Lamborghinis, Audi R8, etc driving on 66.
    Super Targets
    NOVA

    Cons:
    Overabundance of vanity plates.
    The Orange Line.

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    If you've got kids, maybe.

    • Windi L.
    • Arlington, Vereinigte Staaten
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    21.9.2010

    Maryland was named after a Catholic
    Virginia was named after a heretic

    • Harry T.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
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    21.9.2010

    I think Usagi laid the smack down. VA wins. I live in DC so I'm a fair judge.

    • H.R. N.
    • Alexandria, Vereinigte Staaten
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    21.9.2010

    Whatever. Usagi named VA's superstars. How about we look at the rest of the counties in VA? Busted!!!

    Remember when the Utah Jazz had just Karl Malone and John Stockton and NOBODY else? That's VA for ya.

    Maryland is a more complete state.

    And why is Justin C. talking about state shapes? His beloved NC looks like a burnt out log. *glares at Justin*

    • Greg O.
    • Reston, Vereinigte Staaten
    21.9.2010

    Maryland lost a bunch of land to create DC.  DC gave back the land VA gave to it.  

    Not sure who came out ahead there!

    • Tim S.
    • Arlington, Vereinigte Staaten
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    21.9.2010

    MD is a more complete state?  You're high.  Montgomery county is nice, but that's about it.  Head out to Hagerstown and Cumberland sometime if you want to get depressed.  Hell, just the fact that PG county is in Maryland is enough to disqualify it from this competition, but it still has so much more going against it.

    Liquor is cheap up there, though, so that's something.

    • H.R. N.
    • Alexandria, Vereinigte Staaten
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    22.9.2010

    Tim, seriously, when you get past Northern VA... what else does VA have? Maybe, the Seven Cities area. Maybe.

    PG County has two sides, btw. There is inside the beltway PG and outside the beltway PG. The latter is a more formidable comparison to the neighboring counties. For example, it boasts that it's the wealthiest county in the country with an African-American majority. Compare that directly with areas of high African-American population such as DC, Atlanta, Birmingham, St. Louis, Cleveland, Memphis and Richmond, VA.

    Not impressed by that?

    Consider that PG County's median income would BEST more than half of the counties in VA.

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    22.9.2010

    VA has had constant battles with anti-gay laws while MD recognizes same sex marriages performed in DC.

    "Virginia is for lovers. Some restrictions apply."


    Maryland wins that one.

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    22.9.2010

    Oh, and the anti-immigration mentality doesn't help VA either.

    • Kunal M.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
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    22.9.2010

    Whichever city has the cutest girls win!!

    What else matters?

    .

    • Usagi Y.
    • San Francisco, Vereinigte Staaten
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    22.9.2010

    Loudoun County's median household income bests all of the counties of every state.

    Top 101 US cities by likely homosexual population:

    " Takoma Park, MD (housing, pop. 18,497): 2.4%
    Cheverly, MD (housing, pop. 6,582): 1.8%
    Hyattsville, MD (housing, pop. 15,091): 1.3%"
    total likely homosexuals: 759

    "Arlington, VA (housing, pop. 199,776): 1.3%
    Rose Hill, VA (housing, pop. 15,058): 1.3%"
    total likely homosexuals: 2,793

    ---

    "It is estimated that the immigrant  population and immigrant births are adding nearly 15,237 persons to Maryland every year, equating to 39.8% of the state's overall population increase. "

    " It is estimated the immigrant population and immigrant births are adding nearly 38,350 persons to Virginia every year. This equates to 42.8% of the state's overall population increase. "

    • Usagi Y.
    • San Francisco, Vereinigte Staaten
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    22.9.2010

    Consider that Virginia only has 38% more people than Maryland.

    • H.R. N.
    • Alexandria, Vereinigte Staaten
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    22.9.2010

    LOL, Usagi, the only thing your data suggests is that Virginia banned gay marriage and they still want to live there anyway. But, of course, VA still banned gay marriage. Let's not lose sight of that, amidst a flurry of statistics.

    VA's stance on immigration is Arizona-like, again, regardless of migration statistics. Let's definitely not lose sight of that.

    As an aside, in Wheaton, MD they have areas for day laborers to officially stand-by. In VA, they're called 7-11's and Home Depots.

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    • Tim S.
    • Arlington, Vereinigte Staaten
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    22.9.2010

    Loudoun County and Fairfax County.  Hell, even the city of Fairfax by itself has higher median income than Montgomery or PG counties.

    Hilvic, outside Northern VA there's Jamestown, WIlliamsburg, Richmond, Norfolk, Busch Gardens, King's Dominion, Skyline Drive, top schools, great restaurants, wineries everywhere, a top 100 hospital system...the list goes on.

    Alycia, gay marriage is still illegal in Maryland. The "recognition" is an opinion issued by the Attorney General - it's not legally binding.

    Similarly, Virginia's stance on immigration is also an opinion issued by the attorney general - again, not legally binding.  Meanwhile, next year Pat McDonough is introducing to MD's legislature an immigration bill similar to Arizona's, which will make it legally binding there if it passes.

    Another big hit against MD:  Michael Steele.

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    "Another big hit against MD:  Michael Steele."

    Uh he's not our Lt. Gov anymore so that's like me saying Virginia's taken down a notch by Robert E. Lee

    • Tim S.
    • Arlington, Vereinigte Staaten
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    22.9.2010

    Except Michael Steele is still alive and active in politics.  Besides, you think he wasn't crazy when he was Lt Gov?

    Since you brought it up, though, Lee was originally offered command of the Union army and wasn't in favor of secession.  After the war, he supported civil rights for everyone and worked to set up free public schools for blacks,  A real blight on our nation's history, that guy.

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    I was an apathetic middle/high schooler during his reign, so I can't say much :P and yeah he's active in politics, that doesn't mean we Marylanders endorse what he does.

    And hey, regardless he decided to fight with the state that seceded to protect sla, err, state's rights.

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    I must say though, let's stop with the petty attacks.

    • Usagi Y.
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    22.9.2010

    2009 Howard County SAT scores: 1641
    2010 Montgomery County SAT scores: 1653

    2010 Arlington County SAT scores: 1657
    2009/2010 Fairfax County SAT scores: 1664

    "Hilvic Ryan "Kalami!" N. says:
    LOL, Usagi, the only thing your data suggests is that Virginia banned gay marriage and they still want to live there anyway.
    As an aside, in Wheaton, MD they have areas for day laborers to officially stand-by. "

    LOL I can't tell whose side you're trying to boost...

    Lee decided to fight for Virginia because it seceded, if he had taken the Union position he would be fighting his family. Maryland had slavery but decided to join the Union, not that it mattered because Lincoln crushed Confederate sympathizers in the state.

    • Usagi Y.
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    22.9.2010

    Although Lincoln ended up being killed by a Marylander.

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    Yeah, that's pretty nuts innit? Almost as crazy as that wild deer that was a victim of some drunken backwoods Virginian who wanted to have his way with whatever he could get his half-crazed hands on.

    :P

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    Oh yeah and MoCo is more integrated than DC, PG and the so-called promised land of Fairfax:

    greatergreaterwashington…

    justupthepike.com/2010/0…

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    • Tim S.
    • Arlington, Vereinigte Staaten
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    22.9.2010

    OK, if you want to get into the military/government installations comparison...

    Arlington National Cemetery
    The Pentagon
    CIA
    FBI
    NGA
    Quantico
    Camp Pendleton
    Fort Belvoir
    Fort Lee
    Fort Eustis
    Fort Myer
    Fort Monroe
    Norfolk Shipyard
    Fort Pickett
    West Point
    Langley AFB
    Oceana
    Craney Island
    Radford munitions plant
    Fort AP Hill
    Fort Story
    Blackstone AAF
    Davison AAF
    Felker AAF
    Various Coast Guard and Navy outposts
    Tons of contractors, including Raytheon, Northrop-Grumman, and Lockheed Martin

    When VW/Audi moved their corporate headquarters out of Detroit, they moved it to VA.  Boeing and Airbus have buildings near them.  Microsoft also has offices in Reston and Richmond.  

    We also have great places to see a show - Wolf Trap, The Birchmere, Jiffy Lube live, Bull Run - and top-flight race tracks in VIR, RIR, and Martinsville.  White House apple products are made in VA, too, along with RC Cola.

    We have construction on the silver line well underway, too, along with the same new buses that MD is getting.

    And we have 3 SR-71s.  MD...0.

    • J. P.
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    22.9.2010

    RC Cola. wow. We have a winner.

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    Uhm, Camp Pendleton is in California and West Point is in New York. Or is Virginia so special that CA and NY are considered territories of the Commonwealth?

    • Mic X.
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    22.9.2010

    According to the Washington Post, January 8, 2009, two independent studies determined Maryland has the best public schools in the U.S.

    Editorial Projects in Education, which publishes the trade newspaper Education Week, conducted a three-year study of public school performance following the 2002 federal Bridge to Excellence in Public Schools Act. The study evaluated school systems on a number of criteria, including accountability standards, college readiness of high school graduates, spending and equity. The composite results placed Maryland at the top of the rank.

    A second report by MGT of America found that "proficiency levels statewide [in Maryland] have improved dramatically for all students," particularly in elementary schools. The state cut the gap separating proficient from below-proficient students by 50% between 2004 and 2008, an impressive achievement.

    MGT of America attributed much of the improvement to hiring new, better qualified teachers, improving student-teacher ratios by creating 8,300 new teaching positions, and increasing school and classroom accountability for achievement.

    These studies aren't the only indicators of public education performance, however. An analysis of standardized test scores indicate higher achievement in specific areas by students from other states. For example, Wisconsin, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and Kansas have a higher percentage of 4th grade students performing "above advanced" in math (Maryland is fifth). Assessment scores for 8th grade writing place Connecticut first and Maryland sixth.

    Although no single state performs best in all measures, overall, it appears Maryland's public education system is excellent.

    washingtonpost.com/wp-dy…

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    Maryland, fuck yeah, comin' again to save the motherfuckin' day yeah

    And on the seventh day, God rested and let Satan invent Virginia.

    etc etc

    goodnight all

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    • J. P.
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    22.9.2010

    Northrop Grumman is headquartered in Virginia.

    As are a number of other major contractors such as SAIC, Booz Allen Hamilton, BAE, CACI, CSC, SRA, and Dyncorp. But the fact is, of course, that all of these companies have operations throughout the DC metro area.

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    • H.R. N.
    • Alexandria, Vereinigte Staaten
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    22.9.2010

    Martin "couldn't care less" B. says:

    Uhm, Camp Pendleton is in California and West Point is in New York. Or is Virginia so special that CA and NY are considered territories of the Commonwealth?
    ......................

    Martin, never underestimate the power of evil.

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    lol Dietrick this is true. Fort Detrick is where the anthrax strain used in terror attacks was used.

    That's right Virginia, don't fuck with Maryland.

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    Michelle "The Chinky" L. says:

    Maryland was named after a Catholic
    Virginia was named after a heretic
    ---------------------

    You meant this as a positive for Virginia, right?

    ---------------------

    Martin "couldn't care less" B. says:

    "Another big hit against MD:  Michael Steele."

    Uh he's not our Lt. Gov anymore so that's like me saying Virginia's taken down a notch by Robert E. Lee

    ---------------------

    I don't get how that's a negative thing, but I guess it depends on your perspective. I'm sure there are some people out there who like Michael Steele too, though.

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    Considering how few of us actually have children, I find it funny how hung up we are on education stats. We might as well be arguing about whose pole dancers earn more. What it boils down to for me (as someone not "from" either state, and had to choose which one to move to) is which place has more bars/restaurants/arts/other businesses that I actually want to spend money in, and for me that choice was easily Virginia.

    Also, Usagi is a stat beast. Remind me to never get into a fact based argument with him. Oh, and Hilvic, NC has the best beaches on the East Coast, which is more than enough to make it better than the entire rest of Maryland, or Virginia for that matter, in my mind.

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    HAHAHAHA. Tim S. I agree with you. PG County being in Maryland should be enough for it to lose.

    Not to mention, the drivers are the worst. Not sure how anyone in Maryland passed a drivers test....just sayin'

    :)

    • J. P.
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    22.9.2010

    Listen, Maryland, you got some great beaches, and I'm a let you finish, but North Carolina....

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    • H.R. N.
    • Alexandria, Vereinigte Staaten
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    22.9.2010

    Justin "Perpetually Procrastinated Penmanship" C. says:

    Considering how few of us actually have children, I find it funny how hung up we are on education stats. We might as well be arguing about whose pole dancers earn more.
    ...............

    No lap dancing allowed in VA. Maryland allows it. Edge goes to MD.

    BUT... and I hate giving you this, Justin, NC has way better strip clubs than either MD or VA. I don't personally know; I've just been told. Yeah, that's it.

    Sarah G., if you were ever at all interested in becoming a Wonderful 100 member, let me put that ambition to rest. Your comments about PG county disqualify you indefinitely. That is all.

    • H.R. N.
    • Alexandria, Vereinigte Staaten
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    22.9.2010

    Nick "So..um...you really flagged me for that?" F. says:

    Virginia drivers are the worst drivers in the Metropolitan area. Everybody knows that. It used to be a game for me and my friends....guess where the idiot driver is from....Virginia plates all day.
    ..............................­....

    YES! LOL, it's funny, because we used to play that game, too! Like a car would sweep four lanes from the slow to the fast lane at about 85 mph, then SLOW down to 55 mph and SIT their angry because we're going around them. A quick peek at the tag: VIRGINIA.

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    • J. P.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
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    22.9.2010

    Virginia drivers are the worst drivers in the Metropolitan area....
    ----------------------------
    That's funny, Nick. We have the exact same observation/game over here, except Maryland drivers instead of Virginian. Imagine that.

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    22.9.2010

    Maryland ranks #3 nationally in the murder rate, behind only Louisiana and New Mexico at 7.7/100K, Virginia comes in 25 at 4.4/100K.

    • Mic X.
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    22.9.2010

    Well, we do have Baltimore. That hurts the crime stats.

    TV shows with Maryland as a setting -

    Homicide
    The Wire
    Rock

    Virginia........     ?

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    Not all great shows, but VA (according to Wiki) has 12 shows:

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ca…

    Oh yeah...  :-)

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    virginia was a confederate state... and you have cucinelli.

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    • H.R. N.
    • Alexandria, Vereinigte Staaten
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    22.9.2010

    hey cupcakes, on that list of shows:

    2 are cartoons
    2 are related to slavery
    1 show was mostly set in seattle??

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    /\
     You are such a geek Vicky for compiling that list....  

    BTW, I only count information for 5 outta the 12 listed shows.

    Where's the rest of your research fool?  :-)

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    • Mic X.
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    22.9.2010

    in regards to TV shows, it looks like we are tied

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ca…

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    i think this thread has officially gotten out of hand

    but carry on.

    • J. P.
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    28.9.2010

    I O, Usagi is probably referring to the fact that a half-dozen or so of North America's 66 Internet Exchange Points are in suburban Virginia, the most famous (perhaps) being MAE-East. Maryland, in contrast, has zero.
    euro-ix.net/resources/li…
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MA…
    Getting concrete stats seems to be harder than it ought to be... but the fact remains that if a user in Maryland connects to a web site in California, there's a high probability that her packets will go through Virginia; but the converse is absolutely not the case.

    Maryland has plenty to crow about with regard to Internet history. For example, see Glenn Ricart: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gl…

    • I O.
    • Rockville, Vereinigte Staaten
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    28.9.2010

    No, the commonwealth isn't just a name thing. Its a taxation thing. That's what u call denial.

    As far as I know, yes packets are sent usually thru legacy UUNET, Worldcomm, MCI, now Verizon Business based in Ashburn, but did you know that they also go thru Verizon business thru Beltsville, MD?

    It's all in fun. Virginians are in denial and always need to compete.  :-)

    • J. P.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
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    28.9.2010

    No, I O, you are mistaken on the Commonwealth thing. It is really is just a fancy moniker. Look it up.

    Several other major internet backbone providers have their network operations centers in Virginia, in addition to UUNET. Sprint and AOL come to mind. ;-)

    No denial on my part. You're projecting. ;-)

    • J. P.
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    28.9.2010

    *regional NOCs, I meant to say.

    • Ryan W.
    • Arlington, Vereinigte Staaten
    28.9.2010

    Seriously?  You're arguing about internet history as a point in the Maryland vs. Virginia debate?  I knew I never should have looked at this thread.

    BUT, since I did.... how about we compare state university systems as a proxy for the rest of the debate?  Uh, well, Maryland sort of has a system, if you count UMBC and Salisbury State.  Salisbury State?  Really?  That's some seriously deep cafeteria humor there.  Then there's the "flagship" University of MD - oh, nevermind.

  1. 28.9.2010

    Oh hell no you did NOT just trash my university. Which happens to have a Top 20 business and a Top 20 engineering program (9th among public universities). 13th in the world.

  2. 28.9.2010

    And two of the Homeland Security Centers of Excellence are in Maryland.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho…

    Probably because Virginia's idea of homeland security is "keepin dem dere ay-rabs and moo-slims outta arr country!"

    • I O.
    • Rockville, Vereinigte Staaten
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    28.9.2010

    NSA is in MD. FBI, US Marshals are in Baltimore. No offices serving VA...lol.

    And you're right, it's the Communistwealth of Virginia..haha

    • I O.
    • Rockville, Vereinigte Staaten
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    28.9.2010

    Don't forget Towson University is part of the UMD system as well.

    • J. P.
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    28.9.2010

    Ryan, this is just a fun game of oneupmanship. Why should anything be off the table? Internet history is as interesting as anything, imho.... As an internet geek myself, I practically idolize guys like Glenn Ricart.

    And dissing UMD College Park is pretty ridic... As a single school, it handily trounces any in Virginia in a whole lot of categories. Now, I don't know about the UMD system as a whole. Sure, it's smaller, but it's a smaller state. I think I read somewhere that Maryland spends more per capita on higher education than Virginia.

    • J. P.
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    28.9.2010

    I O - the FBI HQ is in DC, not Maryland.  The US Marshals HQ is in Virginia, not Maryland.
    Of course, those are just HQs. To say that Virginia -- or any part of the US -- is not "served" by these agencies is pretty stupid.
    Virginia has two FBI field offices. Maryland has one... which it shares with Delaware. Heh.

  3. 28.9.2010
    • Derryk A.
    • Silver Spring, Vereinigte Staaten
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    28.9.2010

    Okay I'll settle this once and for all...... I'm a Marylander so that makes it great.
    also we have St. Michaels nice little place by the way if you have never been and like those kinds of places take a day trip there.
    and to coup de grace we have "Under Armour" so there nuff said.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Un…

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    • 2153 Freunde
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    28.9.2010

    Who was that guy who had all the statistical breakdowns of ROTD's a few months ago? Perhaps we could get him to analyze users states who have received them in the DC area and use that as a completely artibrarily useless way to decide which is superior.

    • Ryan W.
    • Arlington, Vereinigte Staaten
    28.9.2010

    @j.p. I love blanket statements like UMD is better than any Virginia school.  Back it up.... but you can't, because I know the stats - I'll let you do the research and come to the conclusion yourself.  Uh oh, are you able to come to a reasoned conclusion based on facts, or would you rather go get stoned after your football team loses to Middle Tennessee State, repeatedly?  :)

    • B M.
    • Arlington, Vereinigte Staaten
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    28.9.2010

    Um. I wouldn't use football as a *good* thing about Virginia state schools. Unless you don't count VT, I guess.

    • Ryan W.
    • Arlington, Vereinigte Staaten
    28.9.2010

    I'm not bragging about VA schools' football in general.  But at least there's ONE perennially good team (VT).

    • Steve L.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    28.9.2010

    Oh snap. Worst drivers in America?

    42, Maryland
    Fatal crashes: 513
    Driver's licenses: 3,786,650
    Most dangerous age: 19
    Driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs: 32 out of 50
    Failure to obey traffic signs or signals: 46 out of 50
    Careless or inattentive driving: 18 out of 50

    49, Virginia
    Fatal crashes: 695
    Driver's licenses: 5,301,182
    Most dangerous age: 20
    Driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs: 45 out of 50
    Failure to obey traffic signs or signals: 35 out of 50
    Careless or inattentive driving: 46 out of 50

    news.yahoo.com/s/dailybe…

  5. 28.9.2010

    I love people who conveniently ignore when something is presented right to their faces and then go for an easily won argument.

    And yeah UMD football isn't very good... but our basketball team sure is. As is our field hockey team (undefeated so far this season bitchezzzzzz) and our men's soccer team is doing decently this season as well. But that's all pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. UMD is a great school, and anyone who says otherwise is either an elitist douche or a moron; both detritus by my standards.

  6. 28.9.2010

    alicia is totally right. bryan voltaggio is in md, and not just any md. frednack md!
    case closed!

    there is way too much thought and heatedness going on here. as much as i dislike va, i find this surprising.

    • Ryan W.
    • Arlington, Vereinigte Staaten
    29.9.2010

    Sure, UMD is a good school in the same way McDonald's serves a good hamburger.  I didn't want to do this, but you've compelled me to pull out the rankings:

    US News
    UVa  #25
    W&M #31
    UMd  #56
    VT  #69
    GMU #143

    Princeton Review
    U. Maryland-Coll. Park's College Rankings
    Rank   List
    #17 Best College Library
    #3 Best College Newspaper
    #19 Party Schools
    #16 Financial Aid Not So Great
    #7 Students Pack the Stadiums
    #16 Students Study the Least
    #1 Best Athletic Facilities (thank you, Under Armour!)

    VT - not especially impressive, but here it is:
    #2 Best Campus Food  
    #17 Students Pack the Stadiums
    #8 Class Discussions Rare
    #5 Best Quality of Life

    UVa
    Top 10 Best Value Public Colleges
    # 1 Best Southeastern Colleges
    #2 Great Financial Aid

    W&M
    2010 Best Value Colleges - Public
    #8 Best College Library
    #12 Happiest Students  
    #8 Professors Get High Marks

    So, I guess I'd put UMd on par with VT in most categories... too bad MD doesn't have a UVa or a W&M to round things out.

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  9. 29.9.2010

    Ryan, again you show your selective responses by completely ignoring the stats I posted about individual colleges within UMD. I'd much rather go to UMD for engineering than for any school in Virginia except maybe VTech. UMD's business school is also excellent, and I believe the WSJ said it was in the Top 25 schools being recruited from this year.

    I myself don't put much stock in stupid rankings personally, but if that's how you seek validation then by all means go for it.

    • B M.
    • Arlington, Vereinigte Staaten
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    29.9.2010

    whore: Hannah

    • B M.
    • Arlington, Vereinigte Staaten
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    29.9.2010

    Whoops wrong thread!

    Maryland: full of whores!

    • Usagi Y.
    • San Francisco, Vereinigte Staaten
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    29.9.2010

    It seems I need to correct myself one more time for my previous post, the top export of MD is passenger vehicle parts (which ones I'm not sure) not entire vehicles. LOL

    "I O. says:
    The reason for high SAT scores, is because MORE students....duh!"

    Now I know you are a troll created by someone in VA or DC who hates MD, even people in MD aren't THAT stupid. Well I could believe they are, so just in case it is common logic that SAT scores usually decrease when more people take it probably because instead of just the most motivated and bright taking them you drag regular people into it and they drag the scores down a bit.

    "I O. says:
    NSA is in MD. FBI, US Marshals are in Baltimore. No offices serving VA...lol. "

    "Usagi Y. says:
    Again there are about 2.5 million people in the MD suburbs of DC and NOVA each yet there are about 50% more jobs on the VA side, do the math. There are twice as many federal agencies in NOVA alone than the entire state of Maryland.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li…
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li…

    Like I said earlier as a result of BRAC MD will lose tens of thousands of jobs as the DOD moves the NGA from Bethesda, MD into a multi-billion dollar facility in Springfield, VA which will become the 3rd largest government building in the DC area"

    And it will be the first LEED-certified intelligence agency building. For the next BRAC maybe they will move the NSA to VA from MD where it belongs, seeing as how all the other major intelligence agencies are already in VA, as well as the Director of National Intelligence who oversees the intelligence community. Also as you can see by the links provided the US Marshals Service is headquartered i

    'Dietrick "Sosumi, diabolique" H. says:
    People all over the world love Maryland. In fact, people go to school just to be associated with Maryland. Like John Clark MD, Thomas Jones MD, Denise Abdul MD, and so on."

    How The World Sees The States
    pdc.us/pdf/praise-pubs/a…
    California 1
    Florida 2
    Hawaii 3
    New York 4
    Washington 5
    North Carolina 6
    VIRGINIA 7
    Kentucky 8
    Colorado 9
    Texas 10
    Oregon 11
    New Mexico 12
    Tennessee 13
    Vermont 14
    Missouri 15
    Alaska 16
    South Carolina 17
    Montana 18
    Nevada 19
    Ohio 20
    Maine 21
    Arizona 22
    MARYLAND 23
    Utah 24
    Wyoming 25
    Connecticut 26
    West Virginia 27
    Oklahoma 28
    Massachusetts 29
    New Hampshire 30
    Idaho 31
    Pennsylvania 32
    Georgia 33
    Minnesota 34
    Rhode Island 35
    Kansas 36
    Wisconsin 37
    Iowa 38
    South Dakota 39
    Illinois 40
    Louisiana 41
    Indiana 42
    Nebraska 43
    Mississippi 44
    North Dakota 45
    Arkansas 46
    Delaware 47
    Michigan 48
    Alabama 49
    New Jersey 50

    It seems people around the world either love MD as much as they hate it, or they have never heard of it. I think it is the latter seeing as how the other states in the middle of the ranking don't seem very well-known. I think people also confused Washington state for the District because DC is 6th among

    • Usagi Y.
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    29.9.2010

    ...n Arlington.

    ...international cities.

    • B M.
    • Arlington, Vereinigte Staaten
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    29.9.2010

    Haw haw New York is below even Florida!

    • Usagi Y.
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    29.9.2010

    "Derryk "The Grillin Samurai" A. says:
    and to coup de grace we have "Under Armour" so there nuff said."

    VA has 20 Fortune 500 companies, MD has 6. Actually next year it will probably be 21 and 5 because VA gained Northrop Grumman while MD lost Black and Decker in the past few months.

    • 2153 Freunde
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    29.9.2010

    Wow, NC finished really high in that random survey. That should get me some serious clout when traveling!

    • Usagi Y.
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    29.9.2010

    Its not about clout, it shows which states are well-known/liked by people outside of the U.S.

    "B "OO" M. says:
    Maryland: full of whores!"

    If you mean they are easier than VA women I agree.

    • Usagi Y.
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    29.9.2010

    "Martin "couldn't care less" B. says:
    I myself don't put much stock in stupid rankings personally, but if that's how you seek validation then by all means go for it."

    Are you sure about that...

    "Martin "couldn't care less" B. says:
    Oh hell no you did NOT just trash my university. Which happens to have a Top 20 business and a Top 20 engineering program (9th among public universities). 13th in the world."

    You only care less when the rankings don't boost your own school/state/whatever, typical one-sided Marylander attitude that I have come to laugh at.

    • Sheri G.
    • North Springfield, Vereinigte Staaten
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    29.9.2010

    Poor dirty Jersey.

  10. 29.9.2010

    Usagi, he wanted to talk rankings so I brought them.

    But yeah, this thread needs to be closed (along with Virginia).

    • Usagi Y.
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    29.9.2010

    "Martin "Nuke Virginia" B. says:
    Usagi, he wanted to talk rankings so I brought them.
    But yeah, this thread needs to be closed (along with Virginia)."

    You can bring it (somewhat) but you don't seem to take it very well. Judging by the number of federal agencies, military bases etc that are in VA compared to MD, as well as the importance of the agencies as I have demonstrated countless times, the U.S. would be seriously affected if VA were to disappear as opposed to MD.

  11. 29.9.2010

    Perhaps we can reach a peace agreement... perhaps.

  12. 29.9.2010

    And this really was supposed to be a playful thread, but at some point someone decided to take it seriously. The sad thing is that someone's probably an adult who really ought to have better things to do than start a real flame war on an internet message board :|

    • I O.
    • Rockville, Vereinigte Staaten
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    29.9.2010

    Ahem**Usagi***ahem

    • Ryan W.
    • Arlington, Vereinigte Staaten
    29.9.2010

    @Martin
    Dude, it's a Yelp thread - by definition, it can't be taken seriously.  I hate college ratings, I really do.  But I think you're the one who started pulling out arbitrary stats, so I just googled and followed up.  That's the thing about stats, you can make them say almost anything you want.

    As to the core debate, it's like anything else: a matter of personal preference.  I'm a native of CA, so I had no preconceived notions of MD or VA when I moved here 15 years ago.  I've lived in both states.  They both have their pros and cons.  But, I gotta tell you, living in B'more, it was an armpit.  Really sad too, because I see where it was nice once.  Some people love MD, great.  I prefer VA.  Who cares?  Nobody but me.

    • Ryan W.
    • Arlington, Vereinigte Staaten
    29.9.2010

    oh and by the way, how can any college rating service be taken seriously when they rate crap like "Best Campus Food."  Talk about a rating created to make ANY college look good!

    • J. P.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
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    29.9.2010

    yeah, who was that guy?

    Number of Yelp DC ROTDs by location of reviewer:
    DC: 515
    VA: 367
    MD: 156

    • J. P.
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    29.9.2010

    Number of reviewers who have written any ROTDs:
    DC: 168
    VA: 105
    MD: 51

    • J. P.
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    29.9.2010

    caveat on the second thing: any *DC* ROTDs. Local yelpers who happen to have a ROTD in some other city are not credited with those in the above figures.

  13. 29.9.2010

    @Ryan exactly. Of all the rankings I think Princeton Review is the dumbest. Hell they aren't even affiliated with Princeton, the guy who started it just happened to graduate from Princeton and figured enough suckers would assume it would be super accurate since it's got Princeton in its name :O

    • Usagi Y.
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    30.9.2010

    "Martin "Nuke Virginia" B. says:
    Perhaps we can reach a peace agreement... perhaps."

    That would be wise considering that MD would severely be overwhelmed in a hypothetical interstate war seeing as how VA has F-22's and builds nuclear attack submarines, and of course there is the matter of the U.S. Military and U.S. Intelligence Community being headquartered in VA. But just for fun I think MD should declare war on VA anyways.
    LOL

    "Martin "Nuke Virginia" B. says:
    And this really was supposed to be a playful thread, but at some point someone decided to take it seriously. The sad thing is that someone's probably an adult who really ought to have better things to do than start a real flame war on an internet message board :|"

    Pretty ironic statements from someone who even makes an effort to write 'Nuke Virginia' anywhere let alone as a nickname. I am having quite a bit of fun here and if you think that I'm flaming/taking it seriously etc. it just further proves how insecure and spineless you Marylanders are. And clearly I do not have anything better to do if I'm here on Yelp.

    • Ani P.
    • Los Angeles, Vereinigte Staaten
    30.9.2010

    F  c k Maryland.  Officially team virginia after this ridiculous nonsense on the road.

    • N S.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
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    30.9.2010

    I didn't read but we are the home of lacrosse and under armour.

    And we fought with the union.

    We have a winner!

  14. 30.9.2010

    We've still got the NSA. We'd intercept all of your attack plans. We could blow the bridges and put mines in the water ;) and of course we would form a militia that would give the Taliban a run for their money.

    And why'd you leave VA if it's so glorious?

  15. 30.9.2010

    And let the record show that I tried to quash this beef but homeboy keep frontin'.

    • N S.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
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    30.9.2010

    Umcp is a first tier school. First tier business school and first tier law school.  

    Who cares about the sports. Maybe we actually pride ourselves on academics as an institution of higher learning.

    Let us not forget johns Hopkins which was the first medical school to accept women.

    • J. P.
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    30.9.2010

    "And we fought with the union."
    Uh, Maryland was a border state.
    "in the lead up to the American Civil War, it became clear that the state was more sympathetic to the South than to the North; in the presidential election of 1860 only 2 percent of the votes went to Abraham Lincoln. ...
    Of its 1860 population of 687,000, about 60,000 men joined the Union [army] and about 25,000 fought for the Confederacy."
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma…
    And as Usagi has mentioned a couple times, John Wilkes Booth was a Marylander. We have a winner!

    Also note that some Virginians fought for the North. The one unit of which I can find mention on wikipedia is the Loudoun Rangers.

    • Mic X.
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    30.9.2010

    Western Maryland supported the Union while Southern and Eastern Maryland supported the Confederacy. Baltimore rioted continuously over Union and Confederate support - hence the nickname of Mobtown.

    Western Virginia sided with the Confederacy - hence the creation of West Virginia via secession.

  16. 30.9.2010

    Mic, WV was admitted into the Union.

    • Mic X.
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    30.9.2010

    Western Virginia sided with the Confederacy - hence the creation of West Virginia via secession.

    *i meant to say sided with the Union and that they seceded from Virginia.

    don't you know how my brain works by now?

    • J. P.
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    30.9.2010

    "Western Maryland supported the Union while Southern and Eastern Maryland supported the Confederacy."

    I'm sure that even that is a gross oversimplification.

    • N S.
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    30.9.2010

    Bottom line is we where too close to the capital to go against the union.

    • Mic X.
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    30.9.2010

    "Western Maryland supported the Union while Southern and Eastern Maryland supported the Confederacy."

    I'm sure that even that is a gross oversimplification.
    ==============================­==============================­=====================

    when history is reduced to a few scant sentences - yes, it is.

    i was trying to illustrate that Maryland was no more Southern than it was Northern at the time of the Civil War. it was a state divided in it's sympathies and loyalties.

    • Derryk A.
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    30.9.2010

    Southern Maryland is the deeeeep south just go down to LaPlata you'll see.

    • Usagi Y.
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    1.10.2010

    "Martin "Who Dares Wins" B. says:

    We've still got the NSA. We'd intercept all of your attack plans. We could blow the bridges and put mines in the water ;) and of course we would form a militia that would give the Taliban a run for their money.
    And why'd you leave VA if it's so glorious?"

    Yes they still have NSA, but hopefully not forever seeing how it is clearly in the wrong location. Although the NSA is under control of the DOD like most other intelligence agencies (except for notably the CIA).

    It don't matter where I am btw, I can rep' remotely becuz I'm hi-tec in dis internet ish foo!!

    "N "Y MET" S. says:
    Bottom line is we where too close to the capital to go against the union."

    Lincoln basically declared martial law on MD, DC, and NOVA so its not like they had a chance to leave and I believe he also dissolved the Union (where it was not illegal for states to leave according to the constitution of the time) and turned it into a Republic (he was the first Republican president) which is why we don't refer to the US as a 'union' anymore, unfortunately I don't care enough about history to research the Civil War to confirm this.

    • Usagi Y.
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    1.10.2010

    "j. "k. "l. "m." n." o." p. says:
    And as Usagi has mentioned a couple times, John Wilkes Booth was a Marylander. We have a winner!"

    He was not just some guy either, he was a famous actor of the time, imagine Will Smith killing Obama.

    Also the state song of MD is a Confederate war hymn that asks Marylanders to stand up to Lincoln the 'tyrant'.

  17. 1.10.2010

    On the plus side, it's the same tune as "Oh Christmas Tree"!

  18. 1.10.2010
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    1.10.2010

    OMG can this thread end??? Who the hell cares!!! Just pick a state and be done with it!

    • J. P.
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    1.10.2010

    so, I was thinking about Founding Fathers, and I thought of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, Patrick Henry, George Mason... And I tried to think of any from Maryland, and couldn't. Were there any?  And then there were presidents, of which there were a few from Virginia. None from Maryland. Hmmm...

    • Steve L.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    1.10.2010

    balls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  19. 1.10.2010
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    1.10.2010

    Damn you DieTrick! I'll see you @ Target 1 day

    • J. P.
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    1.10.2010

    Camp David got me thinking about... the Mount Weather Emergency Operations Center - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mo…

  20. 1.10.2010

    Yes, but Camp David is closer to Site R (Raven Rock) :P Maryland could just annex that part of Pennsylvania.

    Although nothing tops Cheyenne Mountain IMO.

    • Steve L.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    1.10.2010

    This thread is balls

    • Steve L.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    1.10.2010

    This thread is balls

    • Steve L.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    1.10.2010

    This thread is balls

    • Steve L.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    1.10.2010

    This thread is balls

    • Steve L.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    1.10.2010

    This thread is balls

    • Steve L.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    1.10.2010

    This thread is still balls

    • Steve L.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    1.10.2010

    Jersey Shore is a fun show

    • Steve L.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    1.10.2010

    Irrelevance will squash this thread!

    • Steve L.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    1.10.2010

    Last one to post in this thread loses!

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    • J. P.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    • 0 Freunde
    • 0 Beiträge
    1.10.2010

    you know - if you don't like this thread, it's easy enough to ignore it. there are plenty of other threads requiring your attention.

    • Steve L.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    1.10.2010

    balls!!!!

    • Mic X.
    • Silver Spring, Vereinigte Staaten
    • 348 Freunde
    • 335 Beiträge
    1.10.2010

    Poppycock

    • Mic X.
    • Silver Spring, Vereinigte Staaten
    • 348 Freunde
    • 335 Beiträge
    1.10.2010

    Oopppps. Wrong thread.

    Umm....    John Waters.

    /end thread!

    • 22 Freunde
    • 32 Beiträge
    1.10.2010

    The Cumberland gap was created by a meteor? Wow didn't know that!

    • H.R. N.
    • Alexandria, Vereinigte Staaten
    • 110 Freunde
    • 282 Beiträge
    4.10.2010

    Only a Virginian would boast about being a Road Head Girl:

    comedycentral.com/tosh.0…

    :-P

    • 197 Freunde
    • 320 Beiträge
    4.10.2010

    So do outta towners find this thread useful when deciding where to move to?
    At least y'all have 1/2 of the Maryland state motto in motion: "Womanly words"
    Now where are the "Manly deeds"?

    • D C.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    • 9 Freunde
    • 15 Beiträge
    4.10.2010

    Maryland has better looking women

    • Steve L.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    5.10.2010

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    • Jamie H.
    • Millersville, Vereinigte Staaten
    • 114 Freunde
    • 450 Beiträge
    5.10.2010

    Holy cow Steve, spam much?

    • J. P.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    • 0 Freunde
    • 0 Beiträge
    5.10.2010

    Virginia has better looking women.

    • J. P.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    • 0 Freunde
    • 0 Beiträge
    5.10.2010

    Jamie, that ain't spam, that's just a Virginian saying what's on his mind.

    • J. P.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    • 0 Freunde
    • 0 Beiträge
    13.10.2010

    Krystal Ball ftw.

    • J. P.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    • 0 Freunde
    • 0 Beiträge
    21.10.2010

    dang. I guess I lose. :-(

    (ref: yelp.com/topic/washingto…

    • J. P.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    • 0 Freunde
    • 0 Beiträge
    27.10.2010

    "The Cumberland gap was created by a meteor? Wow didn't know that!"

    What's that got to do with anything?  Trying to turn this into a Kentucky vs. Virginia thread?

    (also - not to split hairs, but the gap itself was not created by a meteor. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi… )

    • N S.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    • 78 Freunde
    • 520 Beiträge
    27.10.2010

    There's some guy from MD who they think is gonna become the face of lacrosse and blow up the sport.  Lacrosse is cosa nostra!

    • Steve L.
    • Washington, Vereinigte Staaten
    27.10.2010

    crabcakes and football!

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